So I've been strolling around and thinking, this wiki is potentially the most odd one I've ever had the capability of editing at. I've noticed, factions, even if they are exactly the same faction, have separate pages for separate games. Why, I ask myself? There seems to be no reason for this other than it makes it easier to edit on a per-page basis, but makes internal links far more difficult and makes the wiki vastly less organized and proffesional.
I'm not suggesting merging the Franks with the French, but merging the English with the English and the British with the British. I mean, they are exactly the same nation in both games and in real life, am I right? Hell, for the most part they even have the same units.
Now I'm not suggesting merging the different units, like Peasants and Peasants, because I can see the possibility that the two are vastly different in some key ways; IE, Saxon huscarls and Danish huscarls are vastly different in spite of their same name. However, the French are the French in every game in which they appear: they even have the same colors and accents (duh). The Franks are not the French; they are a Germanic tribe. And the East Roman Empire is not Byzantium; one speaks Latin, the other Greek, and they have different units.
I'm merely suggesting merging factions that are the same across games. YuriKaslov 00:12, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Discussion/Voting[]
- Support - As nominator. YuriKaslov 00:12, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Support - I concur. We're talking about nations, which all have similar, and occasionally identical traits. It'd be an overlap of information if there were two pages. SSDGFCTCT9 (Talk) 00:31, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose - They don't have identical traits. Have you two even played the games? They have different heads of states, units, region maps, armies, features, ensigns. They never have "identical traits". See England (Medieval II: Total War) vs Great Britain (Empire: Total War). Fidei Defensor 02:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- You don't understand. I wasn't proposing merging Great Britain with England. Great Britain is the combined kingdoms of Scotland, Wales, Ireland, as well as England; England as a sovereign nation ceased to exist when Great Britain (later known as the United Kingdom) came into being. Yes, Great Britain is ruled by the descendants of the English kings. But that does not mean that they are the same nation.
- And believe it or not, the whole "indentical traits" thing came from NTW and ETW. Because they have the same units... and colors, etc. The only differences between those two are minute at best, and there is no reason they should be separate pages. Just take England in M2TW compared to England in MTW. YuriKaslov 19:36, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Flag, units, initial details, history, gameplay. That's 70% of the page data itself. Even twcentrewiki doesn't merge the pages.
- As see: Scotland M2TW vs Scotland ETW.
- Fidei Defensor 20:26, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
- I voice my Strong Oppose against merging faction pages. To me, Fidei Defensor's argument should say it all. I am against merging this wiki's faction pages. --Byzantine Latinkon 21:02, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Agree with the proposal, but disagree with some of the motives. They don't really have identical units or traits, except maybe if you count Medieval and Medieval II and Kingdoms togheter. But they are, usually, one nation and I think we should make one big article for each nation, to show it's progress through the Total War games. About the Frank/French dispute: I honestly think the Franks had an important part to play in the formation of the modern French people. But that doesn't mean they are the only ones. The Romans also had an imporant part to play, and we can't exactly merge pages about Rome and France. About the Byzantium/Eastern Roman Empire dispute: they are the same nation. The Eastern Roman Empire adopted at some point the Greek language, and from that moment it is named by historians "Byzantine". They are both the continuation of the Roman legacy, even if one of them chose to speak Greek. Andreioplst 11:55, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- The Franks didn't speak French, nor did they have any semblence of French culture. I think a disclaimer thing at the top of the page saying "for /insertnationhere/, see /insertinternallinkhere/". As for the ERE/Byzantium thing, they're different political bodies with, although still somewhat Roman, heavily altered cultural traditions. YuriKaslov 19:48, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- They spoke Francish Vulgar Latin, the direct predecessor of French.
- Franks are Ethnicly French. We have disambigation pages more Modern Nations and their history. The very word France comes from the word Frank.
- The factions have wayyyy to much infomation for them to be merged. There is NO faction page on this wiki that is finished. The closest is Great Britain. YOU REALLY DON'T want that page twice as long as it currently is.
- Comment - Our Rivals: http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Great_Britain_%28ETW_Faction%29